Love is a desire for that lost half of ourselves.
-Milan Kundera
Well, merry Christmas Eve, Losties! You're three years late. Okay, I am loving every second of LOST this season, but it is just moving so fast and I am trying to keep it all together! There are so many time gaps that don't seem to correlate. There was the whole 31 minute time gap that Daniel discovered, and now there is like a half a day time gap from the island to the boat during the chopper ride- Sayid: 'how is it that we left at nearly dusk and arrived at mid-day?' (so did they lose or gain time?) And now Desmond has lost eight years of his life as he jumps from 1996 to 2004. Why then? It would have made sense if he like, didn't remember anything from the moment he got trapped in the magnetism of the island, but why this? Super creative way to do flashbacks!
Conscious vs physical time travel, hmmmm... Why does it only happen to some people, this whole 'mind' travel thing? How can it be controlled?
Poor George McKowski and his brain aneurysm. I wonder where (and when, for that matter) the Ferris wheel was that he was riding on. Sigh. Question though: Right before he died in luscious-locked Desmond's arms, he said 'I can't get back!' So he was trapped in between? Was he talking to someone on the 'other side' about trying to get back to the boat? Is there a skill of controlling or at least understanding it that Desmond will learn with time? Also, the guys on the boat asked if Des had been affected by radiation, magnetism.. and Sayid kind of stared at them blankly, but I seem to recall a button pushing incident that brought down a plane and also a big explosion that knocked Desmond's clothes off and caused him to start having visions... so then what is George's reason... ( If anyone was trying to place where they know "George" from, by the way, hisname is Fisher Stevens and the only things I know him from are that 90's TV show Early Addition and the movie Only You with Robert Downey Jr and Marissa Tomei. Also, that guy who played the Doctor showed up on that Eli Stone show after LOST. Weird. )
So if Penny didn't send these people and therefore didn't give Naomi that picture of Desmond and Penny, did Daniel then give it to them? Is Desmond visiting him in the past what drew him to the island? Is the reason he was so emotional when he saw the news sequence of the plane wreckage - because he knew finally that it was all true and that his past was finally catching up to his future?
Oh, sweetness, Penny is Desmond's constant. Like a phantom limb. :) Is Desmond in the clear now and safe from dying because he made the link to his constant? And Daniel's planned for Des to be his constant. How much does he know? I think he should have had Eloise stuffed and brought her to be his constant. 'I know about Eloise' is my new catch phrase.
Okay, I admit that I got emotional and thought it was such a beautiful scene with Desmond and Penny talking swiftly back and forth to each other at the end of their phone conversation. I really thought in that moment after the phone call when he said to Sayid, 'it was enough,' I really thought they might have Des die right there and then. Except for Libby whose character had way too many loose ends, it seems like there has been a kind of correlation of people coming to a certain degree of peace before they die. When Boone died he had finally gotten over his sad obsession with Shannon and when Jack was trying to kill save him he was at peace and told Jack it was okay and to let him go. When Shannon died she finally had someone who truly loved her and believed her. When Echo died he had sort of come to a peace with his guilt over his brother, yelling at Smoky that he didn't regret shooting that man as a kid because it saved his brother. Charlie knew his death was coming and made his list and got to be the hero. Even Anna Lucia kind of gave in after all her anger and toughness and handed the gun over to Michael and said, 'I'm done.' I don't know if these things mean anything or if the writers just want to give their characters strong and emotional sendoffs, but still interesting. Anyway, enough tangent - I really hope Penny and Des get a happily ever after.
Equipment sabotage two days ago - so Michael! I wonder how Michael and Ben are communicating. Also, how is Michael hiding on the boat, and Walt with him? Don't you love how I am talking with such confidence that the inside man is Michael? Just watch, its somebody we haven't even seen before. Blah, I just hope its not Patchy. In the words of Miss Jordan Lynn, woof.
How did Desmond find Daniel so quickly when he doesn't remember meeting him? Did he really have time to describe himself that well over the futuristic yet somehow oh so 80's phones that they were on? Just me being picky again :)
Now some favorite insights of others, but not The Others, thought I would love to get that! :)
Why did Penelope's dad put the stopper in the sink, leave the water running, and then walk off? Did he want it to overflow? Does he know something about Desmond, time travel, and the future? Since he's buying the journal that a Hanso owned about the Black Rock, it's obvious he knows more that's going on. (I totally didn't catch this Hanso connection in this ep!)
So...Mr. Widmore buys the diary that likely talks about the island and that is how Penny "knows about the island"!
Black Rock Painting and journal. Jovard Hansel…was that the name of the Black Rock Captain? Couldn't catch the first name but Hansel was definitely the last name. Is Hansel a Hansel and Gretel reference maybe… bread crumbs anyone?
This whole episode reminded me of Desmond's first flash. Remember the lady who knew something Desmond needed to know. . does this mean she was once in the island, since she was able to have experienced the time jumps as well? It seems like if that's the case, then Desmond has a ray of hope – because she seemed ok, and thus it may be possible for some people to control their consciousness travel experiences. Since he got his anchor, does that mean he's saved from the jumping back and forth? For good? What will happen if/when he has to pass the island barrier again? (Good thought about the lady. I didn't really ever take her seriously because I thought it was just a plow to get him to the island for some reason since we saw a photo of her and the head priest or whatever at the monastery where Desmond went when he met Penny the first time)
This is the first time since watching this show I've had a tiny tiny feeling that they're going to go in a direction I don't want them to. I know many of you are big time travel fans- I'm just not one of them. The episode was done well, and I am really enjoying daniel faraday's character and the fact that the desmond/penny love story continues to play a central role in all this. I just feel that the writers are opening this up to a place where they can do anything and get away with it, including unresolved plot lines and inconsistencies...maybe I'm wrong. (Hmmm, I find the time travel interesting and not surprising, but this is a valid concern)
Did Penny say the Desmond's friend Charlie told her that he wasn't crazy? Desmond approached Charlie when he was playing his guitar on the street in his alternate past last season and told him they were on an island together. Desmond was able to change the future (Penny remembering, Daniel writing a note in his journal). The time traveling wasn't just a state of mind like Daniel theorized when he first met Desmond in 1996.
And given the Pandora's Box of time travel opened up tonight (flash-sideways?), I went back to some of the books referenced on the island (mostly read by Sawyer). One of them was "A Wrinkle in Time." I know most of us had this book on our sixth-grade required reading list, and I just reread it a couple of years ago. Here are some plot elements that might prove significant in decoding this newest "Lost" riddle:"Meg's missing father was working on a secret government project to achieve faster-than-light travel through a tesseract and accidentally wound up on Camazotz, an alien planet inside the 'Black Thing.' …"The children travel to Camazotz and rescue Meg's father, who has been imprisoned by an evil disembodied brain with powerful telepathic abilities, which the inhabitants of Camazotz call 'IT.'" (IT... Jacob...)More info on this book can be found at Madeleine L'Engle's site or on Wiki.
Numbers, numbers everywhere!The setting: 2.342 (23/42)Penny's address: 423
Does anyone else thing that what is happening to Desmond and Fischer Stevens may be what Danielle Rousseau considers "the sickness"? They all went crazy.
last week's ep: Is it just me or did Faraday call Charlotte 'Charlie' during the card/memory scene??
Anyone notice tank top guy's (I think his name started w/ a K) tattoos? The one on his right shoulder looked like a serpent (as in Ms. Hawking's prominent pin in one of the past Desmond-centric eps) or swan (as in, the swan station) to me… but I didn't get that good of a look at it. The one on his left shoulder looks tribal-esque and perhaps is a bird. Could be some sort of symbolism or could be me just reading into it too much.
- Why doesn't island Faraday recognize Desmond?- Are the flashbacks random or set off by something? - Why is time so splintered (days, years, etc.) with the 'side effect' that some people suffer going to/from the island?- What did Ray inject into Minkowski?- Is this how Charlie appears to future Hurley ("I'm here, but not here.")
The time difference is obviously different depending on the route taken to or from the island. (31 minutes with the rocket, 2 days for the helicopter) Maybe the real CONSTANT goes back to the words of ancient Greek philosopher Heraclitus - "the only thing constant is change"?
I do seem to remember the producers saying something about the overall theme of this show not being time travel...I'm thinking that time travel/wormhole is just one of the many many special features of the island (duh, right?) so that it's true that it isn't the main theme...one more thing i remember them saying way back in season two...they said that it's really just a love story about two lovers trying to be reunited...interesting.... (so maybe the Adam and Eve skeletons aren't Kate and Jack like I have often heard, but Desmond and Penelope? Aaahhh)
Friday, February 29, 2008
Friday, February 22, 2008
LOST: Eggtown
Character is what you have left when you've lost everything you can lose.
-Evan Esar
I don't expect that many if any of you are actually reading all of these, but its fun for me to organise my thoughts, regardless :)
LOST. Whoa, okay, so in hindsight I realised they totally gave away the Aaron thing with all the Kate and Claire time and all the I'm sure I'm not pregnant stuff, but I didn't get it while watching and was more surprised than I was with last weeks Ben twist! I'm so daft! So, about the whole baby thing. I wonder who Kate is telling people the father is since she is saying that he is hers. He's to old to have been conceived on the island, so ... Also, on the island when she was talking to Sawyer, how can she be so, so, so confident that she isn't pregnant? Is there more story there? So they didn't shag, that's sweet. Bold words Sawyer and nice slap Kate - probably wouldn't have been so hard if what he said wasn't so true. So Claire. Does she die? There is reportedly going to be a big shocking death in the next few episodes.... Kate now knows that she is known and still wanted back home, but I have a hard time thinking she would take the baby without either Claire's prompting or else because she thinks Claire is dead. Obviously the situation is awkward because Jack doesn't want to see Aaron, but Kate didn't seem ashamed about it, so I wonder if Claire gets killed by some fault of Jack's and that is why he feels guilty? Maybe Claire is still alive on the island but Jack finally finds out that Aaron is his nephew and feels guilty about that. Overall, a very sad feeling to this show. With the flash forwards they are definitely doing a good job of steering us towards rooting for them to go back to the island.
So Jack says that eight of us survived the crash - so the other two died after the fact? Is Aaron an Oceanic 6? Is Ben pretending to be someone from the plane with no friends and family and is therefore considered an Oceanic 6 as well? I'm still thinking that Michael and Walt fit in there somewhere since I think Michael is Ben's guy on the freighter. So if it was Michael and Walt, that's two, plus Kate, Jack, Sayid and Hurley meaning Aaron and Ben don't count. But then there's Desmond ... Hmmm. Curiouser and curiouser.
What was the deal with Daniel? Is he forgetting things? That was a very odd when he and Charlotte were playing cards. It did seem like in the second episode with the flashback for him he was in some kind of medical care - is he reverting back to his dementia or something? Or, did he used to have some kind of psychic gift but the island is throwing it off? Fine line between genius and madness and all that. Also, with the freighter being unresponsive and then having to use their 'secret number,' do we think the freighter folks are throwing their four to the wolves, so to speak, or are the four in on whatever is going on. They certainly don't seem surprised that they can't get a hold of the ship, but they did seem sincerely surprised when the voice on the other line said they thought the helicopter was with them. They are always giving each other meaningful glances which could mean they are hiding information, or it could just mean that they have been thrown into this situation with people they don't know and aren't sure if they can trust and are looking to each other for support and okays on what to say.
The meeting with Ben and Miles. 3.2 million is very specific. I get that they did that because they want us to be aware that Miles has this amount in mind for something in particular, but on the other hand Miles seems like the greedy type that would ask for more, and also seems clever (and paranoid) enough to not give something away that could be figured out about him. Anyway, I think that's just me being nit picky. Who in the world is Ben? I mean, with the video he was showing Juliette of her sister last season and with his stash of passports and everything we know he has connections, but what does Miles know about him? All we know is that Ben is a self-made man and doesn't seem to owe any of what he has become to his folks/background. Well, unless you count bitterness and being unloved as a child as a motivation for what he is. PS, I very much like zen, I know what I'm doing Locke far better than this fly off the seat of my pants Locke. Do we really believe that Locke's hand were covered in blood from killing a chicken? Cree-py.
PSS, I just love Hurley. I'm totally going to use 'Scooby-Dooed.' Also, I love that he was watching Xanadu!
Now for some interesting thoughts that other, much cleverer people had (yes, cleverer is a word. I checked :)-
"I know the enhanced version tonight mentioned "The Economist" is a British publication, but here's another link: Guess who played an ECONOMIST in a 2002 episode of "Law and Order: Criminal Intent"? That's right: Michael Emerson, our very own Ben! But in the episode Michael Emerson was only POSING as a globe-trotting ECONOMIST for the United Nations; he was in reality living a double life, which included committing murder to cover up his ruse! His name in the episode was Gerry Rankin, and if you transpose the initials (mirror image?) you get "RG," the same initials on Naomi's bracelet.Why then would Ben the Vet be pitting Sayid against the Economist? Maybe that's where the good twin/evil twin theory comes in. (There's more than one way to live a double life!) Or maybe the writers just thought it would be fun to connect Ben to a past Emerson role. In either case, it's quite a coincidence.(For those interested, the name of the LO:CI episode was "Phantom.")" -(Economist was the name of last weeks episode)
"http://www.philipkdick.com/works_novels_valis.html for the book Locke gave to Ben"
"I thought that the psychic that Claire saw back in Season 1 told her that SHE was the one who had to raise Aaron, otherwise bad things would happen. So are bad things destined to occur now that Kate is raising Aaron as her own?"
"Desmond said he saw Claire and Aaron in a helicopter; he never said he saw Claire being rescued...She dies; Kate adopts Aaron."
"Now that we know Aaron is off the island, I wonder if he has any special abilities? That would be an interesting twist."
"Locke is becoming exactly like Ben calling the shots in the little village. Notice how he just walked right in Claire and Kate's house?"
"so, the biggest bomb shell to me this week, was Jack's testimony confirming the theory about the Oceanic 6 lying about what happened on the island. Now we know that they all agreed to make Kate out to be a hero because they all knew she would be facing criminal charges back in the real world. It makes me wonder tho, who did the Six say were the other "two" who survived the crash and then died? i wonder if that has any importance?i guess my biggest question is, where the hell is desmond in this Future world? if the world at large believes the six who survived, did so alone on a desert island, does that mean our good pal Des never made it off the island? that's sad.also, if the Six made up this story that they were the only ones who survived the crash, what could have possibly kept the rest of the people on the island?oh, and, if the world believes their "only six of us survived" story, how did they explain the wreckage they found on the bottom of the bloody ocean!?" - an excellent query
"The guy playing Duncan, Kate's attorney in ep "Eggtown," once played a character named Jack Shepard in the movie "Frequency."That movie contained communicating between time periods. And there are 31 minutes unaccounted for on the island. Interesting."
"Sawyer was reading "The Invention of Morel" from NYRB classics, a fantastic and surreal novella describing a mysterious island... (the edition published in 2003- so I guess Amazon delivers to the island too!...)"
"I'm wondering if a clue to why Jack can't get back to the island via his Golden Pass (despite his many attempts) is tied to the enhanced, pop-up episode which specifically linked Charlotte Lewis to "The Chronicles of Narnia" (and not some other work by C.S. Lewis). In the first Narnia book, the Pevensie children reach Narnia through a magic wardrobe (wait, Ben has one of these, too, where he stores all his suits and passports and foreign currency!). But the wardrobe doesn't work in the second Narnia adventure. The conduit this time is a magic horn, because as Aslan, the Great Lion, says, "Things never happen the same way twice."Perhaps that is a clue to why Jack will never return to the island the same way he first arrived, via a plane crash. (And not to keep sounding the same alarm, but the wardrobe in the Narnia chronicles is also considered an axis mundi, because it represents an intersection of two worlds, one of which has magical properties.)"
"Notice that Sun said "my baby" and Jin said "our baby." She knows it is his. Is she just still weirded out that it possibly could have not been?" Does she not believe Juliette's diagnosis?
"Desmond could still get off the island and just say he was you know, marooned on a small island by himself. Pen could make that happen. Actually, anyone OTHER than people from 815 could come and go as they pleased. . . because no one knows to miss them. That means Juliet, Desmond, and any of the others can be in the future off the island - because they couldn't be counted in the Oceanic 6. Obviously, Ben has gotten away undetected. . . ."
"8 survived crash, but Oceanic 6 - other two Boone and Blondie who died on the island?"
Oh, also, in case you didn't get to the article, which is well worth the read (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20179125,00.html) we WILL be finding out who is in the casket by the end of the season, and we should not read too much into the bracelet connection between the two women last week- that was just a sentimental thing for Sayid. Oh, and they also confirmed that is was Jack Shepherd's dad Christian that Hurley saw in Jacob's cabin, but was the closeup eye Jacob's? So Christian comes into play yet again...
-Evan Esar
I don't expect that many if any of you are actually reading all of these, but its fun for me to organise my thoughts, regardless :)
LOST. Whoa, okay, so in hindsight I realised they totally gave away the Aaron thing with all the Kate and Claire time and all the I'm sure I'm not pregnant stuff, but I didn't get it while watching and was more surprised than I was with last weeks Ben twist! I'm so daft! So, about the whole baby thing. I wonder who Kate is telling people the father is since she is saying that he is hers. He's to old to have been conceived on the island, so ... Also, on the island when she was talking to Sawyer, how can she be so, so, so confident that she isn't pregnant? Is there more story there? So they didn't shag, that's sweet. Bold words Sawyer and nice slap Kate - probably wouldn't have been so hard if what he said wasn't so true. So Claire. Does she die? There is reportedly going to be a big shocking death in the next few episodes.... Kate now knows that she is known and still wanted back home, but I have a hard time thinking she would take the baby without either Claire's prompting or else because she thinks Claire is dead. Obviously the situation is awkward because Jack doesn't want to see Aaron, but Kate didn't seem ashamed about it, so I wonder if Claire gets killed by some fault of Jack's and that is why he feels guilty? Maybe Claire is still alive on the island but Jack finally finds out that Aaron is his nephew and feels guilty about that. Overall, a very sad feeling to this show. With the flash forwards they are definitely doing a good job of steering us towards rooting for them to go back to the island.
So Jack says that eight of us survived the crash - so the other two died after the fact? Is Aaron an Oceanic 6? Is Ben pretending to be someone from the plane with no friends and family and is therefore considered an Oceanic 6 as well? I'm still thinking that Michael and Walt fit in there somewhere since I think Michael is Ben's guy on the freighter. So if it was Michael and Walt, that's two, plus Kate, Jack, Sayid and Hurley meaning Aaron and Ben don't count. But then there's Desmond ... Hmmm. Curiouser and curiouser.
What was the deal with Daniel? Is he forgetting things? That was a very odd when he and Charlotte were playing cards. It did seem like in the second episode with the flashback for him he was in some kind of medical care - is he reverting back to his dementia or something? Or, did he used to have some kind of psychic gift but the island is throwing it off? Fine line between genius and madness and all that. Also, with the freighter being unresponsive and then having to use their 'secret number,' do we think the freighter folks are throwing their four to the wolves, so to speak, or are the four in on whatever is going on. They certainly don't seem surprised that they can't get a hold of the ship, but they did seem sincerely surprised when the voice on the other line said they thought the helicopter was with them. They are always giving each other meaningful glances which could mean they are hiding information, or it could just mean that they have been thrown into this situation with people they don't know and aren't sure if they can trust and are looking to each other for support and okays on what to say.
The meeting with Ben and Miles. 3.2 million is very specific. I get that they did that because they want us to be aware that Miles has this amount in mind for something in particular, but on the other hand Miles seems like the greedy type that would ask for more, and also seems clever (and paranoid) enough to not give something away that could be figured out about him. Anyway, I think that's just me being nit picky. Who in the world is Ben? I mean, with the video he was showing Juliette of her sister last season and with his stash of passports and everything we know he has connections, but what does Miles know about him? All we know is that Ben is a self-made man and doesn't seem to owe any of what he has become to his folks/background. Well, unless you count bitterness and being unloved as a child as a motivation for what he is. PS, I very much like zen, I know what I'm doing Locke far better than this fly off the seat of my pants Locke. Do we really believe that Locke's hand were covered in blood from killing a chicken? Cree-py.
PSS, I just love Hurley. I'm totally going to use 'Scooby-Dooed.' Also, I love that he was watching Xanadu!
Now for some interesting thoughts that other, much cleverer people had (yes, cleverer is a word. I checked :)-
"I know the enhanced version tonight mentioned "The Economist" is a British publication, but here's another link: Guess who played an ECONOMIST in a 2002 episode of "Law and Order: Criminal Intent"? That's right: Michael Emerson, our very own Ben! But in the episode Michael Emerson was only POSING as a globe-trotting ECONOMIST for the United Nations; he was in reality living a double life, which included committing murder to cover up his ruse! His name in the episode was Gerry Rankin, and if you transpose the initials (mirror image?) you get "RG," the same initials on Naomi's bracelet.Why then would Ben the Vet be pitting Sayid against the Economist? Maybe that's where the good twin/evil twin theory comes in. (There's more than one way to live a double life!) Or maybe the writers just thought it would be fun to connect Ben to a past Emerson role. In either case, it's quite a coincidence.(For those interested, the name of the LO:CI episode was "Phantom.")" -(Economist was the name of last weeks episode)
"http://www.philipkdick.com/works_novels_valis.html for the book Locke gave to Ben"
"I thought that the psychic that Claire saw back in Season 1 told her that SHE was the one who had to raise Aaron, otherwise bad things would happen. So are bad things destined to occur now that Kate is raising Aaron as her own?"
"Desmond said he saw Claire and Aaron in a helicopter; he never said he saw Claire being rescued...She dies; Kate adopts Aaron."
"Now that we know Aaron is off the island, I wonder if he has any special abilities? That would be an interesting twist."
"Locke is becoming exactly like Ben calling the shots in the little village. Notice how he just walked right in Claire and Kate's house?"
"so, the biggest bomb shell to me this week, was Jack's testimony confirming the theory about the Oceanic 6 lying about what happened on the island. Now we know that they all agreed to make Kate out to be a hero because they all knew she would be facing criminal charges back in the real world. It makes me wonder tho, who did the Six say were the other "two" who survived the crash and then died? i wonder if that has any importance?i guess my biggest question is, where the hell is desmond in this Future world? if the world at large believes the six who survived, did so alone on a desert island, does that mean our good pal Des never made it off the island? that's sad.also, if the Six made up this story that they were the only ones who survived the crash, what could have possibly kept the rest of the people on the island?oh, and, if the world believes their "only six of us survived" story, how did they explain the wreckage they found on the bottom of the bloody ocean!?" - an excellent query
"The guy playing Duncan, Kate's attorney in ep "Eggtown," once played a character named Jack Shepard in the movie "Frequency."That movie contained communicating between time periods. And there are 31 minutes unaccounted for on the island. Interesting."
"Sawyer was reading "The Invention of Morel" from NYRB classics, a fantastic and surreal novella describing a mysterious island... (the edition published in 2003- so I guess Amazon delivers to the island too!...)"
"I'm wondering if a clue to why Jack can't get back to the island via his Golden Pass (despite his many attempts) is tied to the enhanced, pop-up episode which specifically linked Charlotte Lewis to "The Chronicles of Narnia" (and not some other work by C.S. Lewis). In the first Narnia book, the Pevensie children reach Narnia through a magic wardrobe (wait, Ben has one of these, too, where he stores all his suits and passports and foreign currency!). But the wardrobe doesn't work in the second Narnia adventure. The conduit this time is a magic horn, because as Aslan, the Great Lion, says, "Things never happen the same way twice."Perhaps that is a clue to why Jack will never return to the island the same way he first arrived, via a plane crash. (And not to keep sounding the same alarm, but the wardrobe in the Narnia chronicles is also considered an axis mundi, because it represents an intersection of two worlds, one of which has magical properties.)"
"Notice that Sun said "my baby" and Jin said "our baby." She knows it is his. Is she just still weirded out that it possibly could have not been?" Does she not believe Juliette's diagnosis?
"Desmond could still get off the island and just say he was you know, marooned on a small island by himself. Pen could make that happen. Actually, anyone OTHER than people from 815 could come and go as they pleased. . . because no one knows to miss them. That means Juliet, Desmond, and any of the others can be in the future off the island - because they couldn't be counted in the Oceanic 6. Obviously, Ben has gotten away undetected. . . ."
"8 survived crash, but Oceanic 6 - other two Boone and Blondie who died on the island?"
Oh, also, in case you didn't get to the article, which is well worth the read (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20179125,00.html) we WILL be finding out who is in the casket by the end of the season, and we should not read too much into the bracelet connection between the two women last week- that was just a sentimental thing for Sayid. Oh, and they also confirmed that is was Jack Shepherd's dad Christian that Hurley saw in Jacob's cabin, but was the closeup eye Jacob's? So Christian comes into play yet again...
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